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Post by darkseid on Oct 5, 2011 0:36:36 GMT -5
I'm getting really confused at who to blame at TNA whenever something completely sucks about the show.
Here are the people I can think of to blame, but even then, I'm not even sure who is responsible for what:
1) Russo - The obvious, easy-target.
2) Bischoff - Lately, the main event scene has absolutely reeked of Bischoff. It's his story that TNA is doing with Immortal; perhaps the only story that Bischoff can write. And, in typical Bischoff fashion, the heels never get their comeuppance. The problem with distinguishing Bischoff from Russo exists because Bischoff also likes retarded swerves.
3) Hogan - I'm not so sure anymore, but TNA was overrun with a bunch of Hogan's shitty friends last year (Bubba the Love Sponge, The Nasty Boys, etc.). And, knowing Hogan, he has found a way to put himself in a position to make powerful decisions.
4) Jarrett - The reason for why Double J can never not be a part of TNA. Besides that, his people have been there since the beginning and still likely have decision making power. They're probably the ones to blame for the "King and Queen of Wrestling" and all of the shitty, offensive southern gimmicks.
5) Spike TV - The most likely source of blame for shittiness in the Knockouts Division. "The Network" exists to show scantily clad women. Whenever the Knockouts get incredibly over-exposed or have shitty 10 minute backstage brawls (or anything related to Velvet Sky) it's probably Spike TV demanding its "hot women getting physical" quota.
6) Dixie Carter - Making bad business decisions. Likely, the root of TNA's technical and production values can be traced back to her. The terrible crowd dubbing, never traveling, and poor marketing can be traced back to her as well.
7) The Impact Zone - Every taping nullifies them, but you hear them on PPVs. The completely dead crowd actually makes the show worse.
8) The Locker Room - Whether they're green, lazy, washed-up, political or just plain terrible. For personal gimmicks that suck and boring matches, there's the talent to blame.
This is my problem. It's really fucking hard to figure out which one of those 8 sources is to blame when something ends up being completely terrible on TNA.
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Post by The Blue Blazer on Oct 5, 2011 0:46:40 GMT -5
#6 is to blame for the other seven choices. I vote Dixie.
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Post by Naim on Oct 5, 2011 0:49:47 GMT -5
Dixie Carter.
She bought the company from Jarrett, continuously keeps re-signing Russo's checks against all better judgement, brought in Bischoff-Hervey/Team Hogan, and allows Spike TV to run rampant.
Worst of all, it appears she doesn't even take a real interest in her talent/product, example? The poor treatment of TNA firings, the Daffney situation, and Impact Wrestling itself.
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Post by The MaDaBa on Oct 5, 2011 1:02:45 GMT -5
I'm convinced at this point that Dixie doesn't give two shits about the company. I don't know why she insists on pretending, and why she insists on spending so much of her father's money, but at this point, even a stupid person would not only have figured out what's wrong, but fixed it long ago.
For instance, if a billionaire owned a restaurant and hired a chef that insisted on putting vinegar in every single dish he made and, despite the constant protests of previous consumers, he retains the chef because the owner believes in loyalty above all else, I'd place the blame on the owner long before I placed blame on the chef. The chef does deserve a degree of the responsibility, but he's just trying to make a living, and if the owner is rock-stupid enough to pay the chef to make his rancid dishes, that's not the chef's problem.
But after nearly ten years of providing nothing but vinegar, you have to believe that the owner has heard everyone's complaints. They've all deduced the same thing--the chef is horrible and he has to go. Sooner or later, stupidity and ignorance don't explain it. The owner knows his chef is terrible. He could go out and find another, better, chef who knows how to cook properly, but...damnit, his current chef needs to work, too, right? No, no, I'll keep him on. Besides, I still get customers who, mostly out of habit, still show up.
Guess what, Dixie? You own a business in a capitalism. Capitalism doesn't care if you have a family to feed. It relies on supply and demand. If the people demand your product, it's your place to provide them with enough of said product so that the cost of creating it is as equal as possible to the value that those who demand it wish to pay (this is what's known as "reaching equilibrium"). If you're supplying something that the people aren't demanding, you're not at equilibrium, you're at "I don't know what else to do with this money; it's either put on a shitty wrestling show or eat it."
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Post by Citten on Oct 5, 2011 2:18:02 GMT -5
DLo
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Post by Schemer on Oct 5, 2011 2:50:56 GMT -5
I blame Dixie first.
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Post by slik-dan-go on Oct 5, 2011 4:32:18 GMT -5
Dixie.
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Post by silentstranger on Oct 5, 2011 8:23:12 GMT -5
Dixie, Hogan, Russo, Bischoff, Hogans money grubbing washed up friends, Jarret. Just DIE already, you dried up old fossils!
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Post by TheRavishingOne on Oct 5, 2011 9:45:11 GMT -5
Dixie Carter.
She has no idea how to run a business. She's a money mark that takes terrible advice from people only looking out for themselves at face value - because she doesn't know any better.
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Post by Trent Valentine on Oct 5, 2011 10:30:56 GMT -5
Here is the way I see it. I made a similar list. I didn't include Russo because it'd be way too easy for me to shoot the blame at him.
Hogan - He only sees this company as a way to make more money and a gateway for all his old buddies to come in. (Bubba The Love Sponge, The Nasty Boyz.) If you don't make money or kiss his ass, you don't matter to him, ever.
Bischoff - Hogan's partner in crime. He's had his head up Hogan's ass for so long it's a surprise his hair is white. He doesn't seem to grasp the fact that we don't want to see a dominant heel stable. If it didn't work with the Main Event Mafia,(which he didn't think up before..shocking I know.) what makes him think it will work with immortal? If anything he's a one trick pony relying on the same thing that got WCW on the map, thinking he can repeat the success in TNA.
Dixie - She is too naive to see that Hogan and Bischoff are con men. She allowed them to practically rape and pillage the company bringing in their old friends and rebooting angles and faces/heels that were set in motion before their arrival. Not just that, she's so desperate to save the company, she's looking for any quick fix to pull it out of the slump its in. She tried it with Kurt Angle, she tried it with Hogan, and lets not forget The ECW Revival. Someone should tell her to focus on the stars they already have instead of signing every has been that's not employed.
I think those three are to blame.
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Post by realfakerazor on Oct 5, 2011 10:44:44 GMT -5
Dixie, if only because she continues the Hogan fiasco perpetually. Marks should never run companies, and Dixie's bad decisions show us why.
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Post by Agent P on Oct 5, 2011 11:25:01 GMT -5
Spike TV has some blame. They were the ones who back in 05 pushed for Sting and then pushed for every other late-90's star to be gone after. Sure TNA didn't exactly say No, but Spike is at least partly to blame.
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Post by HagSIN on Oct 5, 2011 11:38:37 GMT -5
Remember when TNA was in 'coasting mode' after Bound For Glory '09 while waiting for the Hogan/Bischoff regime to begin and, during that period, it turned into a really damn good product? Two incredible back to back PPV's, simple storylines revolving around people who just either fucking hated each other or wanted to win/keep a championship, young talent being pushed hard and main eventing (AJ, Joe, Daniels, Wolfe), the list goes on. Can't we swap out Hogan or Bischoff or Russo or whoever the hell is responsible for this shit and replace them with whoever the hell was calling the shots back then?!
Oh and, yeah, I'm throwing my hat in the 'Dixie to blame' ring as well. But the problem is that even though people have been bitching about TNA being embarassingly bad for years now, I'm certain that Dixie thinks it's actually a good show. I think Dixie truly believes the product TNA is churning out right now is above average and entertaining.
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Post by CJ on Oct 5, 2011 12:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by Sheiky Baby on Oct 5, 2011 12:43:37 GMT -5
Dixie Carter. Just like companies in any other industry, the problems always start at the top.
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Post by The5thHorseman of being a f**k on Oct 5, 2011 12:46:18 GMT -5
Dixie doesnt know what she is doing. Its the scavengers like Russo, Bischoff, Hogan, Jarrett and the rest who keep using her for money and a little tv who are really the problems. Sure Dixie is a terrible owner but she isnt a promoter. Id be like blaming Linda McMahon for WWE's booking problems. She doesnt run anything
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Post by Guest on Oct 5, 2011 14:13:30 GMT -5
Im a little behind here, Who is The Happy Mask Salesman TV?
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Post by yapappi4life (has small dick) on Oct 5, 2011 14:46:30 GMT -5
Dixie: she is in charge of fixing salaries for the wrestlers and staff and boy, the discrepancies between the staff, executives and main eventers (AJ, Joe, Jarrett, Sting, Hogan, Anderson, Jeff Hardy, Angle, Rob Van Dam, Matt Morgan, Robert Roode, James Storm, Abyss) and the rest of the roster is way too big. People can say how "nice" Dixie supposedly is but if she is in the know of the salary discrepancies and she approves of it, she isn't a nice person. She is a terible scumbag, even worse than Stephanie McMahon, who shes tries so hard to be.
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Post by JMA on Oct 5, 2011 16:55:01 GMT -5
The creative team and Dixie. The end.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 7, 2011 2:38:06 GMT -5
So in short wrestling fans have dreams of Dixie, Hogan, Bischoff, Russo and Jarrett all being on a boat together at sea and being attacked by giant flying white sharks?
I would like to see Russo write himself out of that one.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Oct 7, 2011 2:44:03 GMT -5
So in short wrestling fans have dreams of Dixie, Hogan, Bischoff, Russo and Jarrett all being on a boat together at sea and being attacked by giant flying white sharks? I would like to see Russo write himself out of that one. The sharks turns out to be Hogan's long lost pet. They make-up and the shark lets them live. And the whole world sheds a tear for their failed death.... And somewhere along the line, Hogan screws over a seaturtle for a world title.
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Post by benstudd on Oct 7, 2011 4:31:25 GMT -5
So in short wrestling fans have dreams of Dixie, Hogan, Bischoff, Russo and Jarrett all being on a boat together at sea and being attacked by giant flying white sharks? I would like to see Russo write himself out of that one. The sharks turns out to be Hogan's long lost pet. They make-up and the shark lets them live. And the whole world sheds a tear for their failed death.... And somewhere along the line, Hogan screws over a seaturtle for a world title. Not if Hostage-taking Bird has anything to say about this!
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Post by conquistador3 on Oct 7, 2011 10:57:49 GMT -5
Two culprits.
Dixie's father who keeps bankrolling losses instead of telling his little girl to run with her own legs. As long as she knows daddy will only be a phone call away to provide financial relief she will have zero interest in running the company.
The demise of WCW. This is probably the worst thing. It left the US public so starved for an alternative to WWE they were even ready to take this pathetic excuse for a promotion dreamed up by Double J and his father during a fishing trip.
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Post by Guest on Oct 11, 2011 0:05:21 GMT -5
too funny.
But Russo would have made 2 of the flying sharks secretly hate eachother, with shark 2 turning on 1 to give Hogan a big win! The Shark in question would be the newest member of Immortal, who says and does nothing.
And a seaturtle as world champ?? (it wouldnt do a joker gimmick would it?)
Hostage-taking bird works on so many levels lol so they would screw it up by making it loose to Kevin Nash who would loose to Hogan again to reform the whatever the new nWo would be called.
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Post by Volture is IN HELL on Oct 11, 2011 0:13:30 GMT -5
everyone in TNA and that includes their Impact Zone regulars all share the blame just like everyone in charge of WCW shares the blame for why WCW went under. TNA needs to get known before they're ready to ever really make it big. You'd be surprised how many people still never heard of them. they ran a house show in Danbury, CT at the Oneill center which has seen a WWE superstars taping, a WWE house show, 2 ECW House Shows, and ECW TNN Taping and an ECW ppv (Living Dangerously 2000) and countless independent shows, all of which sold out. TNA came with Kurt Angle vs AJ Styles as the only advertised match and out of over4500 possible ticket sales they sold just 175 tickets. This show was the Saturday after Hogan debuted even. That is pathetic
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